I Pioneered Scientific MagicI Created Scientific Magic • 我打造了科学魔法

Are you aware of what you wrote in your first comment?

You said that you dislike it when magic is explained.

The problem is that when magic is the core element of the novel and there are rules behind that magic system then it has to be explained. If you don't explain the rules, then you are throwing half of your premise in the trashcan.



Irrelevant to what I said. A magic system can be perfectly explained in "scientific" terms without utilizing our 21st Human knowledge. So you are gonna have the magic system with terms of that world.

Also, I just read a bit of the second chapter of this novel. The author is trying to use 21st-century human knowledge to explain "magic". Only he is failing catastrophically. Maybe the flaws will be explained later down the line since I barely read a chapter or so. The problem arises when he explains the water conjuration spell. Mages had identified Oxygen and Hydrogen as water elemental particles. It's that those two were sub-types of the water elemental particle group. Then the next problem comes when he is able to use two atoms of Hydrogen and one atom of Oxygen to form a whole water droplet. Then he proceeds to label mages as chemists despite chemists being unable to influence the material world with the power of their minds.

Maybe you dislike this application of magic which I find totally acceptable.

In other words, you want fast food to turn off your brain and not a novel that makes you think.

We have the same tastes, I also look for the same recommendations

I would more properly reword this as "having to rely on external means to interfere with reality or its laws".

A quite decent novel that is of a somewhat slower burn.

Excellent mage aspect of the novel. However, the story suffers towards the end since the author has admitted that he never intended for Roland, the MC, to be the actual MC.

If you like magic systems with rules as a concept then TLM is a must-read. It is the so far pinnacle of what an author can achieve with magic systems while having a decent plot. Though you could possibly notice that towards the end of this novel (around 900-1000 chapters), the author starts to speed up the plot's progress to the detriment of certain details. Considering how good the novel has been till then I would say it is perfectly acceptable.

It is worth the try but I need to caution you about two things. 1) The author attempts to use his somewhat flawed view of scientific knowledge in his magic system but fails somewhat miserably. One aspect he fails in is how his scientific knowledge affects some elements and other elements aren't affected that much. Another flaw is how he doesn't account for how he set up his magic system and how to properly implement his scientific knowledge. The most prominent example of this is how magic fire is influenced by the presence of air or not. He has already established that elemental particles carry the meaning of a certain concept (like fire). The more elemental particles used in a spell, the stronger the effect of the spell. Mana is the fuel for the spell to actually exert control in the material world. So according to this description, any natural laws we have come up with science don't matter as much in this equation. Besides for something to burn Oxygen isn't a necessity. What Oxygen does is lower the energy requirement for something to burn down. So long you have enough energy (like mana) you don't really care about the existence of Oxygen or not. You could take this concept one step further and think like this. Elemental particles contain the meaning of a concept. So you could assume that the more elemental particles used the easier it is to exert a specific effect or the more mana you could use to increase an effect you want before getting diminishing returns. Basically, the magic system is quite haphazardly done. If you can ignore this aspect then the magic system is quite acceptable. The second thing I need to caution you with is that the author is willing to throw logic outside of the window so long he wants to implement a plot point he likes. The most prominent example is the love relationship of the MC. He had an official relationship with one of his fellow classmates. At the point of graduation, they somehow decided to break up due to them being a long distance from each other for a couple of months while being basically in "airplane mode" in terms of communications. This sounds quite dumb to me. Especially when you consider that stronger individuals live for longer. Somehow the author justifies the break up in a relationship that was quite strong with being away for a couple of months. The MC had revealed some important secrets of himself to her. A temporary breakup would be acceptable but then the author forces the MC into a relationship with an ordinary woman. She literally was inferior to MC's previous girlfriend in every freaking way. Btw his new relationship happened after the "airplane mode" was lifted. Somehow the author wanted to convince us that the MC, who is quite untrusting and suspicious by the grace of his nature, is willing to share his personal secrets once again with someone completely stranger to him. This together with the previous flaws of his magic system convinced me that there are zero reasons to devote any of my attention or emotions to this novel.

A still ongoing novel about technological trees and magic systems in general. It gives a new fresh breath of air in the field of magic systems. Definitely worth a read. It will also let you see reality from a new angle.

These are some of the novels that I liked in regard to their magic system.

Who said that? What authority does he even have? I mean I tackled this in one of my comments. The belief that "magic = charlatan tricks or the impossible" is clearly a modern one. If we went about this from the historical side, this is clearly the opposite. Magic has been shown to be something more specific, something tangible. To sum it up, magic is to possess wondrous and superhuman abilities. To be able to achieve something that is impossible for normal humans to do so. I somewhat disdain the word supernatural because it is an oxymoron. How can something be supernatural when it is possible to happen in this reality?



Magicians, wizards, warlocks, or whatever word you use has no definite meaning. It depends on the author to give that word a definition for his world.


Nope, there is no such constraint. I could easily write a story where magicians are the "scientists". I could also completely ignore that guy's definition of magic because it is dumb and wrong. No matter how you write your story if you want it to be remotely good you have to put rules in the magic system. From the moment rules come into play his definition of magic becomes moot. If you don't put rules, then you have a chaotic story that lacks any sense of logic and order. Even Tolkien's magic system that on the surface has no rules, in reality, it does have rules. For example, a rule is that words can influence reality. So what happens when two beings try to influence the same part of reality at the same time? The stronger one wins. Who is the stronger one? This is somewhat harder to define since Tolkien didn't focus much on the rules. However, there are defining moments where you know that there are criteria behind who is stronger. In the fight between the Witch-king vs Gandalf, we clearly know that the Witch-king is the stronger side. That probably happens due to the momentum of Mordor. This is further proven when Rohan arrives and disrupts that momentum. In the next face off the Witch-king loses way too easily compared to how easily he won against Gandalf. There are clearly rules in this magic system even if the author isn't focusing on them.



You will notice that even the most basic fairy tales have rules in their magic systems. Those rules might be weird or unrealistic based on the common sense of reality. But they are still rules. So it seems weird to me to berate a novel that focuses more on those rules as fake when this has always been the case. We humans are creatures of order and logic. So it's kinda weird to assume that the original definition of magic has anything to do with chaos and the lack of rules. I should also note that the scientific method is a method of understanding and exploring the surrounding world based on repeatable patterns (rules). People seem to conflate a bit too much the scientific method with the knowledge we currently possess that we have acquired using that method (science). Ironically many might equate science with the objective truth but completely forget that science is heavily biased due to the limited amount of the methods we possess to directly observe the material world.