Shadow Slave by Guiltythree

Name the aforementioned "good literature" you are taking as the base of your argument, if it is as you said, it will be beneficial to everybody here and provide a backbone to your above argument.

It's a win-win situation, right?

The Iliad was mentioned in Shadow Slave on numerous occasions, so let's go with that.

And may I know how Illiad reconciles us with the reason why we are seeking entertainment?

How does it benefits and immerse its audience, that being us?

The Iliad through spelling, breathes life into tradition long dead.
It might've been The Odysee, which reads more like a mythological story, rather than The Iliad that was mentioned in Shadow Slave.

What is The Iliad About? Set in the Bronze Age, The Iliad provides a historical look at how society in this time view morality and heroism. Many philosophers believed that the Bronze Age was a time of moral and artistic superiority in which humans worked in tandem with the gods and were punished for going against the gods. Because of this, many humans lived up to values that were godly in nature—heroic qualities such as super-human strength, bravery, honesty, etc. were coveted above all else. To live like a god would live meant that a human had high moral superiority.

Furthermore, although the Trojan year was believed to be fictious for a long time, there is now archeological evidence that Troy really existed and possibly did fall to the Greeks. This gives the poem a historical context as well that not only helps people understand the oral tradition of storytelling and the values of these ancient people but the social and political context in which they operated. The Iliad and The Odyssey are two of the greatest examples of the epic poem genre to this day for this reason.

In comparison to the classics. Shadow Slave is sterile and safe and panders to its audience. It does not meaningfully address class, what defines nobility, divinity, nor reality.

"To bring it back to the ancient Greks, who looked to Homer’s Iliad as their bible, it’s important to remember that the men we call heroes in the Iliad were KINGS of their respective city-states. Odysseus was a king, Achilles a king. They were a confederation of kings who had Agamemnon as their leader because he ruled over the most men. This was the convention of the Greks at the time. Yes, of course, they were heroes, but they were heroes because they were elite, because they were kings. To be excellent by nature was required by the elite of the time. It was a quality impressed upon from father to son. To be the best.

The advice of the Grek fathers to their sons leaving for the Trojan War was to be the bravest and most pre-eminent. To not shame the race of his fathers. Peleus said this to his son, Achilles. Bravery requires no explanation, I’ve talked about the bravery of Achilles already. Pre-eminent is an interesting translation. It meant they wanted their sons to be the best above all others. To be more. To be better. To surpass all others. To prove themselves superior.

This isn’t something that comes from nothing. For Achilles to prove himself superior in the Trojan War meant that the work had already been done. His father had laid the foundations of it by having the young Achilles trained by Cheiron in the wilderness. He learned true nature. The Trojan War was merely his test. The proving of his aristeia. The movie sort of pays tribute to this idea when Achilles is asked why he came to Troy, and what made him better than all the others, to which he replies that he wanted what all men want, but that he wanted it more.

Too much gets focused on Achilles’ lineage as excuse for his excellence. That he was the son of a Goddess, of course, they often forget he is also the grandson of Zeus. All the heroes of the Trojan War were descended from The Gods. So what? Achilles proved himself better than them all still. Hector is appealing because he resembles the modern idea of what is a hero, but Hector was also a descendant of Zeus. Now, lineage matters. Being wellborn was and is important for the type of man you want to create, but don’t use it to excuse what truly made Achilles great. It was he who all Greks desired to become above all others."

Shadow Slave does pay tribute to the greek epics, with legacies and lineages, trials and divinity. But it cops out by cucking to modern sensibilities, pandering to women warriors, for instance, and shitty webnovel/ pop culture "metaphysics" (the aforementioned corporeal shadows). The classics are heavy of tradition and are truly epic. Shadow Slave is neither, but fills it's void with mcguffins of lacking symbolism and by being "kewl&edgy".

I do not see Sunny ever freeing himself of being a Shadow Slave, raping Nephis into liberation from her egoic attachments, elevating her to transmute or subdue the spell, then ascending to his throne to be Agamemnon or king of the gods. If the above or something equivalent does happen I'll eat my words.

These Homeric epics inspire to greatness. They exhort man to divinity. We are immersed in greek history and tradition - among the greatest in history. How has Shadow Slave influenced you?

P.s. how tf do I stop "Shadow Slave" formatting itself to capitilization and a link?

Shadow Slave takes inspiration from greek classics and european fables, so I believe it is somewhat appropriate to, if not hold it to so high a standard, at least draw some comparisons.

There are exceptions to the shitty webnovel rule. I haven't considered it deeply, but Beware Of Chicken, for instance, is a cut above the rest.

You simply described why Illiad is a fine piece of literature, you didn't tell me how it reconciles us with the reason why we are seeking entertainment? How does it benefits and immerse its audience?

And on another note, your comment at the later parts were... Quite tasteless, seriously what were you thinking when you wrote, I sincerely hope that you weren't being literal when writing those words.

Homer wishes to impart upon us the virtues of these great characters. By conducting themselves according to the principles of their traditions and the exemplars in the epics, many greeks and also modern men hold themselves to the standards of true aristocracy, heroes and gods.

For reference, please google variations of "ancient greek" "rape" "mythology" and "gods".

Look at the example of Cronos eating his children. There is an element to god that is insane. The snake eating its own tail.

Divine madness or crazy wisdom means liberation from mortal trappings, including and perhaps especially cultural sensibilities. Sunny subduing Nephis, if you prefer it pg-13, demonstrates liberation from or the subduing of the spell; which is Nephis's apparent "goal".

This frees her from the compulsion to "defeat" the spell, taking such burdens upon herself. By doing so he serves his master to the fullest whilst at the same time breaking free from slavery. He breaks her down to then lift her up.

Many greeks and modern men may hold them to the standards of true aristocracy, heroes and gods, but i don't see a single reason to do the same.

Why should I be one of them? Especially if i also need to share disgusting beliefs of "raping someone into oblivion, for someones own profit, and then raising them up from the absolute below"

And you still not have answered my questions for which i started this conversation for, you have been simply sharing the ancient's Ideals and traditions and asking us to uphold them instead of the current ones.

It seems I was asking too much of ranobes commenters. I suppose I'll have to spell it out.

The epics pay you back for the attention you pay towards them, by directing it to that which is higher than the reader, and exhorts them not to merely admire those ideals and men, but to live up to them. It reconciles the readers by reaching through the annals of history, transmuting the fourth wall into a conduit of their traditions and philosophy(love of wisdom).

What is your way of being? Do you love wisdom?

As for rape and modern sensibilities, in current year our times are far more degenerated than theirs, with ugliness as opposed to beauty, propaganda to the epics, and we would certainly not lose to them in terms of sex trafficking, rape and indentured servitude.

The current ideals? What may those be?

Clearly, You didn't digest my previous reply properly, I shall similarly spell it out for you.

Why is it better for readers of current time live up to the clearly outdated living ideals of ancient times, that have clearly been glorified similar to the current "propagandas"?

Why does the consumption of their traditions and philosophy reconciles us with the reason why we are seeking entertainment? You once again answered Incompletely, saying how not why.

And even then, why is your how right?

Is it because we can somewhat understand the lives of the character we observe in the stories, enabling us to live a pseudo-life in their world, giving us experiences that we would otherwise never have, changing us drastically, for both better and worse? But isn't that common in every single piece of literature?



I find that information to be quite personal.



I find this question to be paradoxical in nature, with the answer changing by how one defines wisdom.



While the current times may not be perfect, but it is the best of the ones humans as a species has ever experienced, with the above sentence being supported by countless data like life expectancy, personal happiness, personal safety and more.

May I know what acts as a base to your above quote? Preferably with substantial evidence.


The ideals that results in the guarantee of survival and betterment of ones own self's standards of living and/or of the humanity as a whole.

Good literature exhorts one to live an examined life with love of wisdom. Opposed to that are works that feed the delusions of the reader in a way that will lead to suffering. Many prefer delusions, a la Plato's cave or flies to shit.


In that case this discussion is a waste of time and energy. This will be my last reply.


One form of wisdom is direct experience. A blossoming of maturity and virtue.


People work more hours in our industrialised societies than they did throughout most of history. Suicide rates are also higher. IQ rates have dropped 1~ point a decade since around the industrial revolution. Most jobs are "fake", as in the work exists to give the worker work or a place in the system.


Ugliness compared to beauty should be clear without my explanation.

Are you aware of Edward Bernays and his influence? How about Epstein? When somebody is hung, the blood builds up in the head until it forces its way out. Eyes pop out, eardrums burst and blood gushes out, the tongue swells purple out of the mouth and the face turns purple. Tell me, is that what Epstein's "corpse" looked like? How could a Mossad agent conduct a blackmail pedophile sex trafficking ring rubbing elbows with the elites of America and Europe for decades, and then fake his death to be wheeled out of prison never to be seen again?

Modern human trafficking and child exploitation is much more rampant that one imagines.
How many children do you think have gone missing in Ukraine under the cover of war? Who examines cargo hold of Emirates which is owned by the Saudi royal family? Why do you think pedophiles get a slap on the wrist? In many countries human trafficking isn't even investigated by their equivalent of homeland security. https://youtu.be/lKp7ste7g0g

The situation in South Africa is outright genocide, the Afrikaners are driven off land and the Bantus then starve. Jewish vassal states aggregating "first world" political establishments fan these flames by spreading degeneracy, pushing drugs and proliferating criminals on the alter of democracy and equality. What people fail to understand is that inequality is a moralising force. Of course, the suffering of those mentioned above is karmic.

If that is so, i shall not add any of my opinions any further, goodbye, it was nice chating with you Easy Reader.

Sincerely
MTL Ancestor